Scene #2917: Of Cat and Moth

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Cat Noir	The note in the shed had been written on the blackboard inviting those who wanted to know more about Hawkmoth and his goals for over a week. The time was here now, and though it was rare to see him around in the shed, Cat Noir was here casually leaning against one of the desks that were arranged in the psuedo-classroom that th einterior of the Shed pretended to be. Clawed gloved fingers tap idly against his arm as he tries and fails not to fidget while waiting. Waiting never was his strong suit. The blonde masked cat-hero flashes an awkward smile to any already here with an apologetic, "Almost time. Sorry I want to make sure just in case anyone else is coming. But uh, if you have questions about Hawkmoth I can answer what I know." He ducks his head and rubs at the back of his neck with a quiet mutter of, "Maybe I should have brought snacks?"
Izou Saitou	Note had been noted and filed away in the back of his mind some time ago, unsure if he should attend the meeting at all as he was not sure who posted it. Had it Usagi's name or one of the senshis, he'd follow along. But no... So by this point, he had forgotten about it, only to find himself at the Shed anyways due to Blue Spinel. His cello and school bag were placed in one Shed room while transferring over to The Garden for the usual meal prep and spending time with his charge. This is why, when Izou pops back into the classroom section of the Shed, he looked a bit bewildered that suddenly there were people within. More specifically, a man in a cat suit, and whoever else was already there. "...Hawkmoth, correct?" Asked after a pause.
Amy Faust	Amy makes her way into the shed, her winter coat and uniform changing to jacket and casual clothes in a wash of pink sparkles. She smiles upon seeing, "Cat Noir! Long time no see!" She shrugs. "It's OK, we don't need snacks for ''everything''..." Amanda chuckles lightly. "So where have you been? Doing alright?"
Tuxedo Mask	"Well, that's Cat Noir, not Hawkmoth," Mamoru says after listening while taking off his coat. He grins toothily at Izou, then gets more serious. "But yeah. Come. Listen. Ask questions. You've been akuma'd, you must have some..." He hangs his coat(s) up on the wall-- Usagi's dad's parka worn over Mamoru's sleek but not as warm leather jacket. Somebody's chilly. "Usako's on her way."
Usagi Tsukino	"Sorry, sorry," Usagi says, as she comes through the door. "I had to talk to some people and I lost track of time, but did I miss anything?"
Rashmi Terios	Rashmi was never not going to show up, when Cat Noir announced he'd be hosting an exposition, and show up early at that. For herself, she's grabbed a handy desk and chair to sit in henshin, all ruffled skirts and armor and holding a composition book and pencil for note-taking, while Nicomachea sits open on the desk open and laid flat. A few holographic screens float above his pages, as she prepares to record as much insight as she can. At Cat Noir's question, the redhead chuckles. "I mean, you don't have to, but it gives people something to do with their hands so they're not fidgeting as much. Drinks work just as well." Izou pops in from the greenhouse, and is favored with a bright, sunny smile. "Izou-san, hi! Good timing!" And then Amy-chan and Mamo-san and Usa-chan and oh boy this is gonna be a lively exposition. A mental note is made, to provide snacks next time Cat Noir hosts a gathering.
Miho Inada	There's a slight growling noise, and then a Miho seems to be walking into the room followed by a little blue wolf cub. "You need to find out more about others! And to work with others! You were tossed around like a beach ball by Paper Kids in tights! KIDS IN TIGHTS!", the wolf cub says. Miho is blushing a bit, while the wolf cub just glares at her in a very disapproving glare. "Well, I mean...", she goes. The wolf lifts its paw, and points! She nods her head, and bows to everyone in the room as she takes a deep breath. The wolf shakes his head, and walks out the room. He sticks his head back in. "I'll be outside, exploring around.", he declares at Miho. The girl looks around. "Apologies.", she says as she bows. Miho takes a breath as she looks around. She takes a breath for a moment, trying to relax. "Miburo is correct that I do need to learn more about others. Sorry about the display.", she says.
Cat Noir	Cat Noir stands, and sweeps a hand across his chest with a flourish as he dips forward in a little bow toward Izou, Mamoru, and the others joining. "Cat Noir, actually! Hawkmoth is the reason for the discussion." With the little clarification made he glances toward Rashmi flashing a smile. "That's true! I've just never held one of these meetings before," Cat Noir admits with a quick laugh. "Usually it's Ladybug in charge of organizing things, but since I'm just a bit more well-known we thought this might be better." He holds up a clawed hand keeping thumb and forefinger apart just a smidge to show the 'little' part. At least there were familiar faces that were arriving. Mamoru gets a bright grin and a nod when Usagi comes hurrying in, and he relaxes just a bit. Having a few people here who knew his identity outside of the mask was a bit comforting. "I've been fine Amy. It's just been a bit quiet on Hawkmoth's side until recently... Which is why we're here right now. Redundantly." He pauses to stare at the talking blue wolf that goes leads Miho in and then goes outside again with a single blink. "I'm suddenly glad Plagg can fit in my bag." Abruptly he claps both hands together. "All right! Thank you all for coming. There's... a lot to tell about Hawkmoth, and the Miraculouses in general. I know a lot of you have been victim to Hawkmoth's butterflies before, too."
Usagi Tsukino	There are no snacks, Usagi quickly discerns, which is truly tragic, and she doesn't give Adrien puppy-dog sad eyes only because he probably feels awkward enough as it is, and it's not like snacks are ''obligatory'', and it's not like she didn't have a good lunch, and - (It would be really nice, though. She'll talk to him about the magic of having a variety of snacks on supply later.) Settling in on one side of Mamoru, she winces sympathetically when Miho is semi-literally dragged in by what must be her mentor, and the scolding reminds her of her early days with Luna so... whoof, she's glad she's past those newbie days. Luckily for Miho, Cat Noir is quickly able to recapture the room's attention. "Of course we came," she says, cheerful enough, "Half of us have been got and most of the rest have fought an akuma. Figuring out what our enemy is up to is like, maybe forty percent the secret to beating them? Forty percent sounds good, yeah. So... do you want us to just start throwing out questions? I have one! Are the three of you like, the only Miraculous holders out there, and that's why he wants yours two, like, three pieces of the triforce? Or should we be on the look out for more miraculous wielders to pop up two years late with coffee?"
Izou Saitou	Approaches and pinches his prince's cheek with a pout on his lips. "Like I didn't know the difference. Had it been Hawkmoth, this placed would be alight by now--" As the experience of being akumatized had not been... pleasurable. Apology cards and a perfect set of presentations later, Izou was still ''very'' upset about the entire affair. It was deeper than merely accepting the power at his weakest point. It was the manipulation behind it. With a sigh, he lets go of Mamoru, fingers rubbing against where he pinched as a physical apology for it before looking over to Rashmi and smiling her way. "Rashmi, how have you been? I have yet to send you pictures of Blue, right?" He quiets down once the rest arrive, green gaze falling back to Cat Noir as the meeting began. "I would personally like to know who this Hawkmoth person is. I owe him a bouquet of poison ivy."
Amy Faust	> You were tossed around like a beach ball by Paper Kids in tights! KIDS IN TIGHTS! Amy's head turns and she ''whirls'' on Miburo. And then shock becomes ''anger'' when he points at the group and Miho quiets. Yeah no. Amy steps over, glaring down at Miburo. "They were not ''paper kids in tights''. They were ''familiars'', and I didn't see ''you'' there helping. Those 'paper kids in tights' filled me with cut and stab wounds, as the person who healed them can attest." She waves a hand at Mamoru, but her eyes are fixed on the little wolf. "And don't you ''DARE''" she tries to grab him by the scruff of the neck and hold him up at eye level, "pile shame onto your charge and then stop her from saying a word in her defense by appealing to rules about politeness and not interrupting other peoples' conversations." "''That'' is how you make someone feel awful, give them self-worth issues by treating them like they're less than everyone else, and stop them from feeling they even ''can'' communicate to others and expect to be understood or given a chance." "And if you'd like to see what kinds of monsters alienation and seeing how the world misunderstands you creates, we can toss you in ''there''" she points at the door to the Zone, "and have you fight ''my'' Familiars." An empty threat, since the phantoms the Zone conjures can't actually hurt people, but does Miburo know that? And yes, she will stand here in front of everyone making a scene in what was supposed to be someone else's exposition, because Miburo tried to weaponize people being afraid to do so.
Tuxedo Mask	Mamoru gets his cheek pinched, and he makes a face at Izou then rubs his own face after Izou rubs it, and he says, "I gotta yell at him to not touch you again, next time I fight an akuma." But then he's turning away too, about to come sit by Usagi, and-- he stops, because Miho's come in being castigated ferociously by a wolf cub, and everyone looks all levels of embarrassed-- Abruptly he's across the room on his long legs, and he puts a hand on Amy's arm and shows her that his first inclination was to drag them both outside like kids yelling in church or during a town council meeting, because there is a time and a place, and this ain't it. He scruffs the wolf cub and unceremoniously throws him out the door, then closes it.
Rashmi Terios	"Oh, busy busy," Rashmi answers with a chuckle. "And yeah I'd love to see how they've been coming along! But, Hawkmoth fi--" And then there is an explosion of words by the Shed's door, and Rashmi is simply struck dumb. After which Mamoru comes to the rescue, and the Devicer lets out a long, relieved sigh. Mental note the second: come up with an excuse why Mamoru's next curry order is free. "So Hawkmoth," she says into the resounding silence after the door closes. "If there's one thing I've never been able to understand, it's why he wants those Miraculous so much, like Usachan said. You don't happen to know that, do you?" Gotta get the discussion back on track, because this is an imortant hole in her knowledge base.
Miho Inada	Miburo yelps before being tossed out. Miho will have to give him a steak later. She puts a hand on Amy's shoulder, and nods to Mamo in thanks. The girl will have to come up with something for them later. She moves over to the side. "Lets focus on the opponent.", she says. An odd choice of word, opponent. The girl moves over to the side of the room, and leans against the wall. Her eyes narrow a little bit as she starts to listen in. "Information and knowledge is important, and I am lacking in both areas. Especially with others.", she states. The girl seems a bit different as she settles into listening to Cat Noir. Her mind seems more focused.
Cat Noir	Cat Noir clears his throat softly. It's not too loud, but just loud enough to hopefully break through the rant that Amy had gone into. The green-eyed hero raises an eyebrow over at the pair a single time. "I'm soOOoo sorry to interrupt your little cat fight, but ah, we kind of have a planned thing here and I'd like to not be here all night." His hand sweeps around the room indicating everyone in it with a not-too-pleased smile. "'K thanx." The issue dealt with in his mind he glances over to Usagi and Izou to flash an apologetic smile. "Where were we? Ah, right. I can't say who Hawkmoth is, because I really don't know unfortunately. He usually fights from the shadows and lets whoever he turns into an Akuma do his fighting." "It's really annoying honestly. I'd love to punch him." A tip of his cat-eared head toward Usagi has him moving on to her question. "There's a lot of Miraculous actually, just very few users of the Miraculous. Ladybug and I actually know of a Guardian who cares for the Miraculous box which has..." Trailing off he glances to the ceiling, counting on his fingers a few times. "A lot of others. The main ones are the Ladybug Miraculous, and the Cat Miraculous. They're the Miraculouses of Creation and Destruction. Or as Chrono likes to call them," he adds with a wink toward Rashmi, "Lost Logia. ... There's usually a lot more colorful words in there too but I'll skip that." A kind of sheepish laugh is given. "As for why Hawkmoth wants them, it's because if you weild both the Miraculous of Creation and Destruction you can make a Wish." Somehow he makes it sound capitalized when refering to 'wish.' He pauses here looking a bit pained, and very serious. "A Wish that can re-write reality. Which is why Ladybug and I have been very careful about our actual identitites to try and keep the Miraculous safe from him."
Izou Saitou	Now ''that'' was embarrassing. Delicate fingers lifting to press against his lips while side eyeing the entire scene. Mamoru of course took the appropriate action to deal with it. Good, Izou didn't want to get involved at all, lest he loses his patience. "I'll text you them once the meeting is over." Izou smiles as he remains standing. A little too curious about this new information to sit down. He shares another smile, one with Cat Noir by acknowledging his want to send some form of repayment to Hawkmoth--which was quickly making this mysterious mahou gain points in Izou's book. "So quite literally the Triforce, but it's a Biforce."
Amy Faust	Incandescent rage. Memories of the pain of time and time again such social tricks were used to hurt her and make her look bad, which is salt rubbed in the wound left by the uncountable times she ''doesn't'' specifically remember anymore, because it was too many. No one ever stood up for her. She stands, and whatever is protected by 'politeness' that can be so weaponized, can ''burn'' if it allows such pain. Mamoru senses that, and then Amy's shock and disappointment that he would take action against both of them -- but then he doesn't ''act'' on that thought and she sees the rest of his calculus on what to do here flash through his head in turn. His preferred way of handling this would've left Miho suffering through the meeting, -- which is ''also'' not helpful for her learning and retaining useful information about Hawkmoth and the Miraculous! -- and things could've happened that interrupted before the talk with Miburo could happen. But Amy's rage cools, and what actually happened is... satisfactory. And, he might note, nowhere in her thoughts was any anxious fear that this would get her shunned by her friends. The wound left scars, but it's healing. Miburo dealt with, Amy steps out from under Mamoru's hand to hug Miho tightly for a moment what she hopes is reassuringly, and then turns to focus on Cat Noir again and listen. A Wish. Amy can hear the capital letter, and makes a sharp intake of breath at the reveal. "So he wants to rewrite reality... Do we have any idea why, what his goals are?" And, as thoughts race behind those slightly-pinkish-red eyes, she immediately has another very good (she thinks) question: "If there are a bunch of unused Miraculouses around... what determines who can use them?" Could Kagayaki-san be a Miraculous-user who doesn't know it? If they could just get her to turn away from Dark Energy. ...Could Amy, if a way is found out of the contract...?
Usagi Tsukino	A good bit of awkwardness just happened and the rude little pup gets tossed out, which Usagi can gather won't really hurt him, given she'd sometimes shoved Luna down with about that much force and she'd always been fine. There's plenty that ''could'' be said, but she doesn't want Amy to feel like the room's against her, she doesn't want Miho (sitting there determined and focused) to feel anymore put on the spot, and she ''really'' doesn't want to distract from the subject. Not when they're getting answers. "It figures you wouldn't know," she sighs, "I mean, we'd have definitely tried to plan our ''own'' sneak attack if you did." But then Adrien is saying something a ''lot'' more interesting, and she sits up a little straighter. "Oh, that's right! I remember you telling me about the Guardian, that time I had the Ladybug Miraculous, but Tikki never mentioned anything about being the Miraculous of ''Creation''," that sounds like a title, alright! "She didn't mention other Miraculous, either, but if there's a ''lot'' of them... does this Guardian, um... do they have a place that's protected, like here? Because that's a lot of power to just... have somewhere out here in Tokyo?" It's a moment of genuine, serious concern. And then: "The biforce," Usagi whispers next to Izou, laughing a little, and then, a little louder "''Like Mamochan and me!''"
Miho Inada	Miho takes a moment to think on this. "So the destruction of the current reality, and the creation of a new reality to create this...'wish'? Do I understand that correctly?", she asks. The girl kinda rubs her magatama, not sure how to exactly to phrase that. "Or is there something more to it then that. Something that keeps it from being just actively used by you and Ladybug to get rid of Hawkmoth?", she questions. "And what is Akumatize? Is it a type of transformation that Hawkmoth can perform, or something that he can force on others?", she asks. Miho gets hugged, but her mind seems to be switched over to a more...thinking mode. Her fingers are gripping her biceps a bit as her thoughts ponder. Her body seems a little tense, but yet relaxed. She's trying to soak in what is being said without causing any more distraction.
Tuxedo Mask	"''Rude,''" Mamoru says instantly to Adrien, shooting him a Look over everyone's heads from the back of the room-- it's loud enough to be heard, but not loud enough to be an interruption. He can tell he'll have to do a post-mortem later, but that's a problem for Future Mamoru. Present Mamoru withdraws and goes back to sit down with Usagi and Izou... right in time for Usagi to call them a biforce. "What..." he asks blankly, vaguely, trying to catch up -- and then he zeroes in on Adrien. "What ''is'' his wish? Maybe it doesn't need the Miraculous."
Veronica Perenna	The only time Hawk Moth and Veronica had met, the phantom thief would have said the pleasure was all hers: she didn't even have time to raise a finger before he had gone and mistaken her for Cat Noir having come out as trans. Of course, she had gone along with it: the whole thing was really too funny to just correct the mistaken identity. Still, she really has a loft of question marks about what exactly he is after, and the workings of the Miraculous, so she comes over to the Shed as soon as she is free to, bringing Emery with herself. She did not want to leave her cat by herself, and by how her pet was starting, she did not want a repeat of the incident with the cleaning services. "Hello!" She greets, bursting into the Shed, just in time for Cat Noir to reveal the precise workings of the main Miraculous. "I see I am fashionably on time", she says with a smile, taking a place near Rashmi. "I will try not to make it happen again", she adds with the same ease. "Is this guardian safe? Can they protect themselves", she immediately asks. "Or do they have a way to contact us, if they get under attack?" Both hers and Emery's set of blue eyes are fixed on Cat Noir. "And how many are there exactly? Do we have a list somewhere?" "I think he may be using others", Veronica tells Miho with a nod. "He had infected She-Ra with dark energy, and was talking with her through the mind, I think. She was calling herself Skeletara, but I don't think she was really in the right frame of mind even before then."
Rashmi Terios	While the exposition seemed to be threatened for a moment there, Rashmi truly relaxes, as both Amy and Miho lock in and offer good, cogent questions. Her pencil skates over the pages of her notebook as she records her notes of the lecture-- --only for the pencil to break as she clamps down on the hoot of laughter building in her chest at Usagi's quip. Laughing out loud would be impolite, bite your tongue, bite your tongue... The Devicer seems to be turning a faintly alarming shade of purple for a moment, but thankfully here is a Veronica to sit next to her, and receive greeting! Perfect distraction. And with all these questions floatng in the air, Rashmi elects to concentrate on note-taking as they get answered in turn.
Cat Noir	Cat Noir glances toward Mamoru when accused of being rude. All he can do for the moment is give a flash of teeth in a sheepish grin because... Well he could be rude at times when transformed. He'd have to explain it later perhaps but for now he just leans back on one leg to half-recline against the desk he stood in front of. Just like he had when everyone first arrived. Arms cross lightly over his chest as he listens to everyone with green eyes darting around at all the remarks. "Akuma-tizing is his method of taking over people and turning them into... Akuma. I don't want to use the term 'monsters' because they're still people of course. He seeks those out who are emotionally compromised in some way with powerful negative thoughts. His power comes to them in the form of a purple butterfly that imbues an object to act as a focus, and then he grants them power to fight in exchange for trying to steal our Miraculouses. You can free them by destroying the item posessing the butterfly, the Akuma, so that it releases it's hold on the person." There were a LOT of questions. Cat Noir pauses taking a deep breath as he tries to organize them in his mind to best explain. Right before getting mentally de-railed by Miho suggesting that he and Ladybug use the Miraculous to get rid of Hawkmoth. "I would never!" Aghast he raises a clawed hand to rest over his chest looking deeply disturbed. "The Miraculous users are people too. Even Hawkmoth. What keeps us from using them ourselves is... Ourselves." Lips purse together tightly. "We were chosen to have our Miraculouses by the Guardian because we posessed qualities that he felt would make us responsible Miraculous holders." Nevermind that they didn't know about the whole 'wish' thing until much later. He would still never do that. "It's also not something two people can do together. That's why we keep them seperate." "Er... the Guardian... Mostly works in secrecy. He can fight, he was a monk of some sort. He's a few hundred years old from what I understand? But it's mostly protected by secrecy. Ladybug has loaned out the Miraculous on occasion to people she felt were suitable, but taken them back after. We'd been talking about the possibility of finding active users."
Izou Saitou	Mirth is shared with Usagi, shoulders shaking as he laughed along. It's only slightly hidden behind his hand before clearing his throat if hopes to compose. No, he didn't mean to divert the conversation with his comment, but there was a spark of joy that it did make some laugh. Something he's getting used to on his own. However, he did glance over to Mamoru with some worry. He ''knew'' the tone and look given. That was not the friend side, but princely one that ''Zoisite'' was quick to identify and feel more compelled to return to seriousness. "I was akumatized a couple of weeks ago before New Years. Emotionally and physically exhausted and unwilling to compromise, so they do target anyone that's at their weakest so they can accept the power offered." His reply was towards Miho as he wanted to share his own fresh experience. "Just say no if you feel that's happening to you. It's not worth it." "Do you have an inkling of what Hawkmoth's wish might be? If we don't know who he is, knowing what he wants could be a clue on its own." Izou suggests.
Cat Noir	Cat Noir spreads his hands with a sigh as he shakes his head. "As for what Hawkmoth wants to wish... I have no idea. He's never mentioned it. He's not really the talkative sort usually."
Amy Faust	Amy gets the reference, smiling a bit at 'biforce', and then smiling more and lightly chuckling at 'like Mamochan and me!' 'Maybe his wish doesn't need the Miraculous' gets a snappoint and a nod from her. She takes a seat as close to the fron as she can, as Cat Noir explains about Akumas. Ah, so they are bound -- or encouraged -- to get the Miraculouses. "So ''that's'' why one grabbed my soul gem... does it look kind of like the Miraculous?" She holds out her left hand and pink sparkles wash over it, a glove forming over her hand and the ring disappearing, her soul gem appearing where her communicator was, now a circular cabochon on the back of the wrist. At the moment it's pure ruby-red, though. "Well, sometimes there's a little black on it." Amy blinks. "But how is that supposed to work? A lot of the time, Ladybug isn't even ''there''. Even if an Akuma didn't get dogpiled by mahou immediaately, how is it going to seek out Ladybug specifically before it eventually is? ...Do they have some way to sense it, like I can sense Witches?" And then Amy's eyes widen and she raises her (right) hand, her left dropping to her knee, "Okay, I ''gotta'' know, why do all the Akumas transform people? Into bananas, or statues, or living toys, or statues again, or tiny statues, or--" She turns to look back at Mamoru. "...Did Casual Friday turn anyone into anything?" And then faces Cat Noir again. "You said Hawkmoth's miraculous is ''Destruction'', right, not transformation-- wait no, you said ''yours'' was Destruction. So he has the Miraculous of Transformation?" Amy blinks, and then eyes widen in realization. "''Butterflies.''" She holds her fingers to her forehead. "Right, that makes sense, I ''really'' should've picked up on that..."
Miho Inada	Miho nods her head a bit. "I didn't mean to offend. Just thinking if it was a possibility.", she offers. Of course Miho would think of something that practical. When she gets into fight mode. Or getting music mode. Fashion...Ok, focus! Her mind thinks about a few things as she hears from Izou, Veronica, and Cat about Akumatize. "So the butterflies he sends out are mini-little white rats with wings.", she says with a nod of her head. Amy knows exactly which little white rat Miho is talking about. The girl seems to take a second to focus her thoughts on the information being given, and starts to come up with a mental picture of Hawkmoth in her head. Not what he looks like, but his thoughts. "Does he lack the power to fight without the Akuma? I don't think that is the case since we're having this meeting, but why use what is unnecessary, and a waste of resources if he can do something directly?", she asks. "Or is there certain limits or knowledge he lacks?"
Usagi Tsukino	Usagi quickly gets serious again too, sitting up straighter, though she's very glad she and Izou could share a laugh together. "He can be pretty determined about it, too," Usagi says, nodding as Cat Noir explains akumatizing. "He got me twice - once was kind of my fault, Mamochan was really upset and so was I ''and'' I knew my akuma isn't that dangerous, but... it's still a thing he does, getting to you when you feel small and helpless, and then making a bargain." At Amy's question, about her soul gem, she starts, looking at her with worry. "They went after your soul gem? I mean... the Ladybug Miraculous looks like a pair of earrings with spots, when you're wearing them, but when you aren't, they're just red earrings with a silver back." She's not always diligent about things, but having held a crucial magical object in her hand is not something she can easily forget. "I've never even seen him," she admits to Miho, "It's always just his akuma. Which could mean he can't fight, but, I mean... I'm pretty sure he's a Director at Obsidian? Probably? I can't see him being Lacrima's equal, so he's got to be at stupid Riventon's level... but it's not like his akuma ''aren't'' dangerous." Rubbing the back of her neck sheepishly, she admits, "When I was akumatized the second time, I managed to snatch the Miraculous right off of Ladybug. Thankfully, ''she'' snatched the akuma in the same moment, or things would have been really bad. He still kept going - determined, like I said - and Luna must have eaten her weight in butterflies before he quit sending them after me."
Rashmi Terios	"Yeah one thing I have noticed," Rashmi pipes up, "is it's a lot easier to tell what motivates the poor Akuma, than it is Hawkmoth. And I mean... just the fact that anyone could become an Akuma if they're having a rotten enough day... Amy-chan, Usachan, d'you remember that one Akuma that was just a really annoyed manga fan? Anyone who can cause that kind of chaos for that little reason, if they're not at Riventon's level then they're pretty close." The Devicer purses her lips, and tilts her head. "...Actually, Mamo-san... Did you have any idea what the Ladybug or Cat Miraculous even looked like when you were Casual Friday? Like, would you even have recognized them?"
Veronica Perenna	Well, secrecy is not a bad protection, but she is not sure Veronica feels comfortable with it. Not when she knows how disastrous it can be to work by yourself. "Noted, noted. I hope Hawkmoth doesn't find him, then. Or that an alert can jump from them to Ladybug to us in time", she comments. Does Cat Noir know them too?, she thinks to herself. She knows better than to ask about secret identities. Veronica hums at the explanation over the Akuma. It certainly matches what she saw back then with She-Ra. "I still feel bad that we had to break She-Ra's sword to free her. I haven't, hmm, been able to meet with her again since." She flashes a thin smile. She really doesn't know how the tall warrior is doing recently. She purses her lips at the lack of information on Hawkmoth's wish. "Do we know anything about his first appearance? That can be a clue. Something ''must'' have happened to make him start then." But it could be as simple as getting power then. "That's assuming you ''can'' say no, right?", Veronica asks Saitou-san. "I think you and She-Ra would have said so if you could." Big assumption on her part. She doesn't actually know much about either of them. It's one she feels can't really be wrong, though. "Oh, dear Luna. I hope they didn't give her a stomachache. I am glad Emery can't do that", Veronica winces at Usagi's comment. The cat's ears flick, for her part. "One note for Hawkmoth being awfully stubborn then. He is just a weird man, don't you think?" She grins with a conspiratorial tone at Usagi. "Me and Cat Noir couldn't look more different, too." She perks up when Rashmi mentions the manga fan. "Yeah, see? Weird. An annoyed manga fan? Must have really been out of options", she says lightly. "What was it like?"
Tuxedo Mask	Once Mamoru's sitting down, he's considerably less of a towering Presence and more of a persnickety teenager, as is only right. He stretches out too tall in the desk and then laughs at Amy's question. "Nah, Casual Friday-- my akuma," he fills in for everyone else, "--was the weaponized paperwork. Easy to think so, though, because Casual Friday and Sailor Eclipse were a teamup event..." His hands go over his mouth at what Usagi says, and then he lets them drop, because it's not THAT dramatic. Once Usagi's done explaining, and Mamoru's done making a face like PLEH, the fluffy-haired boy says, "No, Hawkmoth's definitely a director, and he's definitely a weird recluse who looks like a 90s comic book villain, and he's got telepathy and dark energy and the ability to grant weird powers to people and not actually be able to control them." He glances over to Rashmi and reaches up to run his hand through his hair, get it casually out of his glasses. "Um-- well, he shows a picture, telepathically, of what we're looking for..." he starts sheepishly. Then Mamoru crosses his arms and puts his hands under them, fingers getting cold. He should have left his jacket on. "Don't judge people who say yes. But you can judge me if I do it again, because I promised not to, and... well, I certainly said yes, I was at the end of my tether and biting the air."
Cat Noir	Cat Noir drops his gaze a moment to stare at the floor. It's just a moment as he thinks back on a few fights, only to quickly shake himself out of his thoughts. Back to the moment he clears his throat stiffly. "He can fight, but all Miraculouses have one main power. And yes, mine is Destruction," he informs. One arm uncrosses from his chest to reach casually out. A single flick of clawed finger sends Rashmi's broken pencil off the table. Like a cat knocking a glass over. "Because of that I think he uses turning people into Akuma in an attempt to keep Ladybug and I from fighting all out. Since they're people, we don't want to hurt them, really. Keep in mind though that we used to be in Paris--There weren't really any other mahou there. His methods were guaranteed to get both of us there, usually." Not so much in Tokyo of course. When Amy shows off the gem he can only shrug, and raise a hand to show off the ring he wears with a wiggle of fingers. "They're all different. His is a pin, mine is a ring, Ladybug's are earrings, the Miraculous of the Fox is a pendant. It's possible he thought it was a Miraculous. That, or he's changing how he works here in Tokyo." With all of that said and done he pauses... And then abruptly moves to crouch and begin picking up the broken pencil he'd knocked off. "Sorry Rashmi, sorry!" "For the record, you can refuse the Akuma, but it's hard. I think there's some influence there at first from what I've been told. You still have control of yourselves though when you're changed, just your thoughts are twisted a bit. Which means not all Akuma listen to him. ... Kind of hilarious when they don't honestly but still a problem."
Amy Faust	Not that dangerous?! "Your toy-ification took an ''hour'' to wear off everyone the first time! I was kinda worried when people didn't change back after a few minutes... Who knows what would've happened if they'd been left like that with no one to watch them because everyone else was chasing you?" Amy's just a bit shocked and surprised though, not mad. She doesn't blame Usagi, who was not in her right mind at the time. They went after your soul gem? Amy just stares at her a moment. "...You were ''there.''" Beat. "...It's okay, I completely forgot about the Witch injuring uhhh... what'sername... Somethingzaki-san that one time. ...Now I know how everyone felt when I was all 'wow, what happened to you?!' a few days later..." Not all Akuma listen to him... Amy nods. "Yeah, we were able to talk down the medusa one on New Year's, actually!" Amy looks to Veronica after the mention of the sword. How ''is'' Adora doing...? But then Amy smiles at a more amusing thought, "Did you ever tell Cat Noir that Hawk Moth thought you were ''him'' because of the cat ears?" She blinks, and mutters, "Transformation miraculous holder... I guess it makes sense that possibility would occur to him..." Amy looks to Miho. "I get the sense that dark energy is kind of predisposed to, or especially good at, making monsters. Err, minions. Kagayaki-san was rambling about how amazing it was at 'creating life' the first time we fought her." She looks back to Cat Noir. "Maybe that's just how the Transformation Miraculous ''works'', but I wouldn't be surprised if it's an interaction between his Miraculous and Dark Energy." Amy blinks. "Come to think of it... okay, so you showed how yours are Destruction-related, I guess, but..." Amy furrows her brow in thought. "I guess she was able to conjure insects that purified and repaired things... I can't help but feel there's more nuance to the powers than just Creation, Destruction, and Transformation, though." Amy blinks. "Like what's the Fox Miraculous do then? I bet it's not just literally 'conjure foxes', or if it is, the conjured foxes probably have specific supernatural effects, right?"
Izou Saitou	"Thankfully having been turned once, I can somewhat tell what to expect next time if I'm ever a target once more. It's almost a boon if you're able to refuse. Imagine if it was forced on you. That would be a bloody nightmare." On that train of thought, Izou blinks, another question forming on his tongue before parting lips, "How many butterflies can he send out at once? One? Two? Has he ever sent a swarm?"
Miho Inada	As Miho listens in to what is said, she nods her head. Director level, can fight on his own, and uses the Akuma as a distraction/lure. The girl blinks as she looks around the room at all the people who said they've been changed. She blinks a little bit. "I see.", she says. Miho takes a moment to let a little bit of her hair down to cover up her magatama hairclip. The girl focuses her thoughts a bit more as she shifts through the information. "Does this Guardian have the ability to take back the items?", she asks. "Like if he believes that Hawkmoth is abusing it, can he just take the power back, or is it for keeps?", Miho asks. She listens in to Amy a bit, and nods her head a bit. She pauses a bit. The girl rubs her arms a bit. A habit of her nerves. IIzou asks a question that Miho didn't think about. She assumed a swarm, based on her own Friends of the Forest. They take so little energy that it never occurred to her that somebody else's magic like that could be weaker or stronger. "Does anyone need an energy drink or something to drink?", she asks.
Usagi Tsukino	"...I was? Whoops?" She rubs the back of her head sheepishly, though she feels better when Amy says it happened to her, and now that she thinks about it - right! He didn't actually get the soul gem. "Yeah, they transformed for like an hour... and then they all turned back. They didn't like, get tortured, and they were ''toys'', which, definitely can get broken, but not as fast as bananas or statues. And I ''heard'' about Groomacidal, so, it could have ''definitely'' been worse," Usagi says decisively. "So his one main Miraculous power is the akumas, like Ladybug's is summoning just the right thing to solve the problem, and yours is destroying something utterly... you know, a hero who could make more heroes would be so cool! If the guardian ''could'' take his Miraculous back, though, I'd bet he would have already." But maybe they could see if the Guardian would want to come to Radiant Heart? He probably wouldn't want to just let the Miraculous come, and that's fair, but... "I'd take a drink, thanks, Miho-san." "Still - every time I've fought an akuma, it was only just the one. If he ''could'' do more than one at a time, I feel like he'd... have tried it?"
Rashmi Terios	"Oh man, it would be so nice if even one problem could be stopped by 'you are not worthy,'" Rashmi sighs. "But if it hasn't happened by now... probably it won't, yeah. More's the pity." Scribble scribble scribble, note note no-- "...Actually a drink would be awesome Miho-cha-- okay Usachan every time you fought an akuma it was one, but you were definitely half a pair."
Veronica Perenna	Lots of different shapes and powers. That makes sense. Otherwise, they would be confusing and redundant. Or, dangerous, if same shape and different powers. She is glad ''that'' isn't the case. She doesn't want someone to break a building just because they grabbed Destruction and not Creation. She nods at Amy's questions. She wants to know that too. She thinks about the rebellious Akuma, and something occurs to her. "Hey, Cat Noir. How much control does Hawk Moth have over the butterflies after freeing them? Can he send them somewhere else if something makes a target a bad choice? Can its spirit do that?" Veronica laughs under her breath at Amy's question. "Well, no, this is the first time we met since then. But it ''was'' rather funny." Folding her arm to the left side of her body, she takes out silver light from an imaginary breastpocket, and its cover scatters, revealing a calling card with her insignia. She ''takes out'' the drawn cane, still pen-sized, and writes Princess of Sarek across, transforming into her magical thief self. With a flicker of her cat ears and a swish of her tail, she bows at Cat Noir. "So, funny thing: Hawk Moth thought I was you, and trans. So if you have had to correct him, that's why." She winks at the other cat hero. "This Guardian ''is'' a good person, right? If they are working with Ladybug. I think that if they could, they would taken back the Butterfly Miraculous a long time ago", she considers to Miho, still petting Emery.
Cat Noir	Cat Noir springs back to his feet after gathering up the broken pencil which he deposits back on Rashmi's desk. Safe and sound. As much as a broken pencil can be at least. Izou's question causes a little grimace at the very thought. "I've seen multiple be sent out before but it seems he can only power one Akuma at a time. At least for now. I don't know if things will change since he's working with Obsidian at this point." He rather hoped not. A nod is given to Usagi in agreement. "Oh definitely. If he could make multiple he absolutely would." "The Guardian said that the Butterfly miraculous was stolen or lost a long time ago, along with some others. It's the only one we've seen show up so far though." When Veronica explains the confusion about being mistaken as girl-noir he grins a bit toothily. "Ah! That does explain things then, yes. I was rather confused about an interaction I had with him. I hope he didn't bother you too much." "As for the Fox Miraculous, it's the Miraculous of ..." He pauses trying to think of how to describe it. "Mirages, I guess? Or illusions. There's a Snake, a Dog, a Dragon, a Pig... And many others." "That's about all I know. Sorry." A smile is offered around. "Is that about it? Any last questions?"
Usagi Tsukino	"...Wait... I was ''there'' when he did two, ahahaha," Usagi laughs, and she's absolutely earning that old reputation for being an airhead today, "But he's never done it ''again'', so maybe that was just the power of the biforce being used for evil?" A little joke, but she looks at Cat Noir seriously. "Thanks for telling us, seriously. Whatever wish Hakwmoth has... just knowing he has a wish could be a good thing. I mean, maybe he wants something stupid, like a million billion dollars, or to rule the world, but if he wants something... ''else'', maybe we can convince him there are other ways?" This is a good thing. Not to mention... they now know exactly why no one else can get Ladybug or Cat Noir's Miraculous.
Amy Faust	Amy pats Miho's shoulder or arm if she's close, when she looks nervous. "Uhh, sweet tea... actually, anything cold is fine, especially sweet and cold." She smiles and, on a spur of the moment thought adds softly, "Like you." > If he ''could'' do more than one at a time, I feel like he'd... have tried it? Amy turns and ''looks'' at Usagi in a repeat of the exact motion from earlier, but Rashmi speaks up first, and Amy breaks out into a grin, trying not to laugh. "I get what you meant though! A swarm of Akumas like the monsters that attacked Tokyo when they tried to bring Pharaoh through would be ''awful''..." Amy shudders at even beginning to imagine how that would go. "...''seriously.''" And then Veronica and Cat Noir mention Hawk Moth's confusion and 'that does explain a confusing interaction we had' and Amy can't stop herself from just ''cackling'' for a moment. And then she listens as Cat Noir lists off much of the Chinese Zodiac as having miraculouses. "How specific does this get," she wonders rhetorically, "Is there a hedgehog miraculous, I wonder? An axolotl miraculous? A clownfish miraculous?" She shakes her head. "Sorry, rhetorical. Um, thank you so much! This has helped explain some stuff." Amy blinks, and holds up a finger to her chin. "Actually... one more thing. Is it possible to meet this guardian? While we do not currently know if it's even possible to break my contract, and I am in no hurry... in the event it becomes possible at some future time, it would be good to know if I ''have'' any other magic options."
Cat Noir	Cat Noir stretches his arms overhead and pushes away from his leaning spot, already preparing to leave. It had been a good long info session after all. Amy's question causes him to pause as he flashes her a smile. "Sorry, no."